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Comment from: BrianC [Visitor] Email
BrianCI'm speechless. Why would anyone worship a God that would allow such an atrocity?

A human police officer would have done everything in their power to prevent this, in fact we would hold a human in contempt that would not have at least tried, yet the master of the universe gets a free pass stamped "MYSTERY"?

Religion is the most spectacular form of self enslavement. If you genuinely believe in this God you should be in uproar and rebellion, what has you so cowed?
12/18/07 @ 10:19
Comment from: Edgar [Member] Email
EdgarHi Brian,

Without God, good and evil are simply an opinion.

Take for example cannibalism. Some people would call that bad. But that is just an opinion. The people eating their grandma don't think so. They think it is yummy.

Take another example. Killing babies. In the old days, the invading army would kill the male babies. Also in some parts of the world, some families, upon finding a baby's sex, kill the new born if it is a baby girl.

Some would say killing babies is evil or bad. But that is just their opinion. The people killing the babies think it is perfectly fine.

Thus, Evil and Suffering are relative. A democratic opinion.

So using a word such as "atrocity" to describe God's actions, or calling him evil is just that - an opinion.
12/18/07 @ 15:51
Comment from: BrianC [Visitor] Email
BrianCWithout God, good and evil are simply an opinion.

This is merely an absurd theistic conceit. One I might add, which few of you fully understand, simply parroting the interesting (but circular) musings of deeper thinkers. Mind you, if we could get two theists to agree even the most basic morality it would help your case, I guess you are out of luck:-)

Morality is (and has been since the dawn of written history) simply what a given group of humans say it is. However, and this is the clue, we are biologically and socially disposed to the application of the golden rule, because this is what has produced coherent and stable societies. So there is baseline behaviour, and we see this documented by anthropologists the world over, but it's genes, not magic.

In addition "morality" is observable in many mammals and primates, thus it clearly has absolutely nothing to do with a primary transcendent lawgiver, unless that lawgiver looks like a chimp or a dolphin, after all, retorviral checkmarks in their DNA prove they evolved first. This is the observable reality, not vague speculation about some poorly defined transcendent "law".

Finally, the relentless history of schism in the christian tradition, and religion generally, is surely a clear warning bell that these institutions are not now, and never have been a conduit for anything approaching an internally consistent body of truth.

I'll take my "opinion", and fight for it, over your "transcendent morality" any day. Thanks.
12/18/07 @ 23:09
Comment from: BrianC [Visitor] Email
BrianCThis might also help :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elEYKpo7kFk
12/18/07 @ 23:11
Comment from: M JONES [Visitor] Email
M JONESGod gave us life, and the tools to learn and make decisions... He does not control weather or not we do good or evil ... Its our choice..
02/22/08 @ 08:08
Comment from: Mandie [Visitor]
MandieHEY there genius. If you want to sit there and blame "GOD" for the reason this horrible thing happened, but that a "Human Police Officer" would have prevented it, how about you find the FACTS on this story, and see that 911 was called, and they DIDN'T SEND ANYONE. As in, THIS SITUATION WASN'T THAT IMPORTANT, IN THEIR HUMAN OPINION.
10/30/11 @ 21:23

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