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Comment from: Dan [Member] Email
The problem with #3 is that Darwin did not discover genetic mutation.
03/01/10 @ 11:59
Comment from: E. I. Sanchez [Member] Email
I like Ayala's definition because is more memorable. Wikipedia and Coyne just can't get it together. Would be nice to look it up and fine a common 'denomination'
03/01/10 @ 17:12
Comment from: Johnny O [Visitor]
The problem with #3 is that Darwin did not discover genetic mutation.

Darwin didn't "discover" evolution either. He merely came up with the Theory of Natural Selection.

As for different descriptions of what Evolution is... How many definitions are there of Christianity? And that's just one branch of the word Religion...
05/10/10 @ 07:48
Comment from: Dan [Member] Email
Agreed Johnny. That's why we have to define our terms. Edgar will use the above definition, but you won't see me using "evolution" so broadly. It's just not helpful b/c it means so many things to so many people.
05/11/10 @ 08:15
Comment from: E. I. Sanchez [Member] Email
My problem is the perception that science has definite answers. How can they? they can't get it together when it comes to something such as evolution. And yet, evolution is a irrefutable fact of science. So tell me again what evolution is? And thus, the many definitions.

Ayala's definition is memorable so i'll use it if I remember it :-)
05/11/10 @ 17:35
Comment from: Johnny O [Visitor]
Again Edgar, you seem to confuse Evolution and Natural Selection.

Would you say that Gravity is a fact? You hold something out at arms length, let go and it falls. Gravity - Fact.

You put some bacteria in a testube, leave for two weeks and it's completely different. Evolution - Fact.

Newton defines gravity as a force that attracts all objects together. Einstein says it is due to the curvature of space-time. Theories.

The bacteria that were in that test tube were there because the natural factors of environmental resistance tend to eliminate those members of a population that are least well adapted to cope and thus, in effect, select those best adapted for survival and reproduction. Natural Selection - Theory

Evolution is as much a fact as Gravity and like it or not, Natural Selection is as solid as Einstein's Theory of General Relativity.

What you are talking about above is purely semantics, not the events that take place as organisms evolve and why some survive over others.
05/14/10 @ 14:24
Comment from: Johnny O [Visitor] · http://thankgodforevolution.com/
You might find the above link interesting.

As I've always said, as far as I'm concerened Evolution doesn't disprove God, I didn't believe long before I understood Evolution. Most of the Christian world believe in both, it's only really your country and places like Turkey that don't, personally I'd be embarrassed by that
05/14/10 @ 14:32
Comment from: E. I. Sanchez [Member] Email
I am with you on this one. Online, it might be easier to say I believe in evolution and then in person talk about what the words. I don't deny that change happens or that we have a common ancestor but it all comes down to semantics and really knowing what you are talking about. I am working on it! Half way through coynes book.
05/14/10 @ 14:52
Comment from: Johnny O [Visitor] · http://thankgodforevolution.com/
Edgar, my friend replies like that fill me with nothing but respect for you...

And a little bit of hope...lol
05/15/10 @ 08:00

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