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Comment from: E. I. Sanchez [Member] Email
I just started reading it, and I must say that it is a page turner. I just can't read fast enough.
03/21/06 @ 15:46
Comment from: E. I. Sanchez [Member] Email
I just finished watching A&E's CHRISTIANITY: THE FIRST THOUSAND YEARS and CHRISTIANITY: THE SECOND THOUSAND YEARS DVD set. Though A&E takes a few cheap shots at Christianity & The Catholic church, it is a good compliment to having read Shelley's book. There are some good bits and nice trivia items. Cheap Shots:
  • Women lost their leadership they had in the beginning.
  • Constantine Not a real Christian and demanded that Christians change their day of workship from the Jewish Sabbath to Sunday
  • Nicea was a meeting of clerical burocrats... to decide on the date of easter
  • Calls Jesus the "Jewish Teacher"
Don't buy it, rent it from Library! Six Hours Long!
06/29/06 @ 19:36
Comment from: priscilla [Visitor]
This is very interesting site
07/05/06 @ 21:01
Comment from: Marshall Shelley [Visitor] Email · http://www.outofur.com
I read this book in its manuscript form, on photocopied pages, back in 1982. It was good in the rough draft, and now three editions later, it's even better. (I'm a bit biased. Bruce Shelley is my dad.) I just heard that a new edition with a new chapter on the rise of militant Islam and global Christianity is in the works, due out sometime in 2007.
01/09/07 @ 15:13
Comment from: Dan [Member] Email
Awesome. I just gave my only copy away. Now I have an excuse to buy it again!
01/09/07 @ 15:48
Comment from: Ethan Muse [Visitor]
Constantine demanding that Christians change their day of worship from the "Jewish Sabbath to Sunday" is not a cheap shot. It is a historical fact. There is no record in the Bible of Jesus changing the day. And nowhere in the Bible is Saturday called the Jewish Sabbath. Rather, it is called the Sabbath of the Lord.
08/28/07 @ 13:56
Comment from: Dan [Member] Email
Ethan, please document Constantine's order if you have time.
08/28/07 @ 18:11
Comment from: E. I. Sanchez [Member] Email
Hi Ethan,

I called it a "cheap shot" because A&E should've known better. Constantine didn't change the day of worship. Christians had been gathering on Sunday to break bread, to read the apostles writings, the prophets, to pray, to sing psalms since the beginning.

See: Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:2; cf. Rev. 1:10. The early church also documented celebrating the Lord's day on Sunday. These records (New Testament, Pliny the Younger, Ignatius of Antioch, Dionysius, Bishop of Corinth, etc) all pre-date Constantine by 300 years.
08/28/07 @ 18:13
Comment from: Sister Seraphima [Visitor]
The book is truly interesting. The treatment of the origin of the Nicene Creed requires comment (p. 102, 2nd ed):
1. The "filioque" (and the son) on line 2 of the Holy Ghost paragraph was not accepted by the general Western Church until after Charlemagne pressed for its insertion. Even then it was inserted against the Pope of Rome's wishes.
2. The Holy Ghost paragraph was a product of the Second Ecumenical Council (not in Nicea) whereas the first paragraph was formulated by the 325 bishops of the First Ecumenical Council under Constantine's presidency in 325 (yes the figures are identical I believe).
08/03/08 @ 04:26
Comment from: E. I. Sanchez [Member] Email
Senor Dan, Shelley has a new edition out. Check it out and give us your report!
03/23/09 @ 20:29
Comment from: E. I. Sanchez [Member] Email
Hey Dan,

I forgot to tell you about Prof. Shelley. He passed away. I updated the intro to your book review.
03/07/10 @ 20:42
Comment from: Dan [Member] Email
May he rest in peace, and blessings to Marshall and the rest of his family.
03/07/10 @ 20:54
Valuable information
07/31/10 @ 00:31

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